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Triforce Theories
These are theories and ideas regarding the Triforce. Note these are not
necessarily true, they are made up by the minds who think of them, and
we are in no way trying to say that the following theories are true, as
we know they are not. These are simply theories created by the fans of
Zelda.
In addition to the theories posted below, here are more theories regarding the
Triforce, posted by Maximum Zelda visitors in the forums. You can view their theories
by page, each person having their own page for their theories.
Archmage_Zelda's Theories
kidaider's Theories
Link's Theories
RedQueen87's Theories
If you have a personal theory or idea regarding the Triforce (or Tetraforce),
email me at webmaster@zelda.ubergaming.net.
Tetraforce? No. A different name. by herre bijl
If there is something like the tetraforce. I don't think it would be
>called the Tetraforce but I think it would be called Quadraforce, because there are
four pieces. And if its called Tetraforce there must be five pieces.
Four Oracles by Link
There are four Oracles, Din, Farore, Nayru and Zelda, which, together,
would make up the Tetraforce.
No Tetraforce by Archmage_Zelda
I do not believe in the Tetraforce, because Miyamoto, the games, and the
manuals have stressed almost infinite times that there are 3 pieces of the
TRIforce - Wisdom, Power, and Courage. I see it as another silly rumor
founded by the FF.net-shipper community.
Tetraforce Could Exist by Legacy_of_Tokaro
I believe it, just look at Zelda's dress, and the hyilian shield.
The triforce, a Pheonix and in the pheonix's talons sonmething
that fits in the center... it would make sense to have a fourth goddess,
something would have had to create life and the way it works.....my theory
....Goddess of Life, Orcale of Fates, piece of Love.....that my take on it
....its all based around my fanfic. But it wouldn't be called the Tetraforce
it would still be the Triforce (it is still a triangle).
Tetraforce? Perhaps! by RedQueen 87
"The if the complete Triforce is so the ultimate force the would alow the weilder to bring peice from the good or distruction form the bad, did any one have complete Triforce? The complete Triforce should grant any wish it's owner desires, yet it was not able to grant Ganon's wish in Zelda 3, A Link to the Past. He wished for the entire world, and only managed to change The Golden Land into the Dark World. Even with that change, unloyal and good were there, like the fat fairy of the Pyramid. Did Ganon merely word his wish wrong? I doubt it, as it was a wish in his heart of Ganon, not spoken. So that only leaves the possibility of the Triforce not being powerful enough. Maybe it's not complete..."
That's from tmsword.com, and I feel it's a good theory. If the Tetraforce theory has any truth, it would explain why Ganon couldn't complete his wish, and why Ganondorf wasn't aware if its existance later on.
But why didn't anyone else mention it? I'd say people like the Sages wouldn't want anyone to know. That way, even if the other peices were found, the power (while strong enough to grant a wish) would not be enough to grant it fully. That would at least leave the people hope.
An example of why I think the "better to let them forget" thing might be true is in Zelda 1. Impa didn't know there was a Triforce of Courage because she couldn't read some ancient text that said so. A third Triforce wasn't known to exist at all in that game.
I'd personally love to see the Tetraforce theory be true, though in all honesty I don't it is. But I would like to stress that it -could- happen, and is not in the least impossible.
Tetra! by sillichinchilli
I would at this point like to note that in Wind Waker, the reborn Zelda was named... TETRA!!! COINCIDENCE?!? I THINK NOT!!!
Tetra the pirate by RedQueen 87
I actually wondered why they chose that particular name for her, or if they were even aware of it's connection. If they are aware, it's either a hint or they just thought it was amusing. No way to tell.
Perhaps there is another goddess? by RedQueen87
Another thing to note is there has been mention of an unknown forth Goddess. In MM, Zelda spoke of a Goddess of Time. It doesn't take a big stretch of the imagination to believe Four Goddess's = Four Triforce peices. And since it is not widely known in Hyrule that this Forth Goddess exists, it also supports my theory that those who do know about it don't -want- anyone else to, because of the power such a peice of Triforce might hold. Why else conceal the existance of a forth Goddess?
In reply to a few things said before
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
"The if the complete Triforce is so the ultimate force the would alow the weilder to bring peice from the good or distruction form the bad, did any one have complete Triforce? The complete Triforce should grant any wish it's owner desires, yet it was not able to grant Ganon's wish in Zelda 3, A Link to the Past. He wished for the entire world, and only managed to change The Golden Land into the Dark World.
1. Who said that's what he wished for?
2. Who said he had the complete Triforce? Last I remember, it was sealed within the Temple of Light until you beat him.
3. Notice that when Zelda sealed Ganon in the Sacred Realm, it said "Evil Incarnation of Darkness" as opposed to "Ganon" or "King of Darkness". In other words, she and the sages sealed his evil power as well.
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
Even with that change, unloyal and good were there, like the fat fairy of the Pyramid. Did Ganon merely word his wish wrong? I doubt it, as it was a wish in his heart of Ganon, not spoken. So that only leaves the possibility of the Triforce not being powerful enough. Maybe it's not complete..."
So you're saying that "Ganon's heart", which we can't confirm is the wish's origin also had the proper wording to make everyone not only subservient, but willingly so?
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
But why didn't anyone else mention it? I'd say people like the Sages wouldn't want anyone to know.
Not even Link? Zelda alone had numerous occasions to tell him.
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
That way, even if the other peices were found, the power (while strong enough to grant a wish) would not be enough to grant it fully. That would at least leave the people hope.
How, if they wouldn't know.
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
An example of why I think the "better to let them forget" thing might be true is in Zelda 1. Impa didn't know there was a Triforce of Courage because she couldn't read some ancient text that said so. A third Triforce wasn't known to exist at all in that game.
Miyamoto has said that he regrets certain limitations from hasty wording and plot decision in previous games, but that's not exactly a complete rebuttal.
QUOTE (RedQueen87 @ Oct 9 2003, 08:25 PM)
I'd personally love to see the Tetraforce theory be true, though in all honesty I don't it is. But I would like to stress that it -could- happen, and is not in the least impossible =P
But you can't possibly thoroughly prove a theory if you're biased, for you'll overlook many things.
As for this "Goddess of Time", only Tatl mentions her. It's most likely a wivestale of some sort. Also, it specifically says that Hyrule, NOT TERMINA, was created by 3 golden goddesses. Not 4, 3.
The games do not support this. I'm currently researching the origin of this "theory", I have a feeling it's used to "justify" some fanfic. Whatever it came from is irrelevant, the games just don't support this.
If Hero is going to make a page on this though, you and I can easily create dozens of insane, impossible to prove theories. The question is, where is the line drawn?
Anywhere by Hero of Time
The line can be drawn anywhere short of insanely off-the-wall theories. Everything, otherwise, is fine. It's a page of theories, thus any theory anyone thinks of may be posted.
Who said that's what he wished for? by RedQueen 87
1. Who said that's what he wished for?
2. Who said he had the complete Triforce? Last I remember, it was sealed within the Temple of Light until you beat him.
3. Notice that when Zelda sealed Ganon in the Sacred Realm, it said "Evil Incarnation of Darkness" as opposed to "Ganon" or "King of Darkness". In other words, she and the sages sealed his evil power as well."
1. I believe it was said that is what he wished for, though I quoted that particular bit from another website, and honestly don't remember from the game. Though, I seem to remember in OoT it was said that the land of Hyrule was reflected by the heart of the person who held the triforce.
2+3. Once again, in all honesty am not sure (Don't feel like replaying the game just to make sure, and if what your saying is true, my place of information is incorrect, though thus far I have never found it so), but I believe I remember him getting the triforce. Because it was at the Temple of light does not mean he didn't get it. How else did he warp the Golden land like he did? If his powers, granted evil, could corrupt the land like that, why wouldn't he of done it before, to a more easily corruptable Hyrule, then a pure land?
"So you're saying that "Ganon's heart", which we can't confirm is the wish's origin also had the proper wording to make everyone not only subservient, but willingly so?"
If your saying Ganon's evil power alone corrupted the Golden land (albeit not completely), I don't think it's a long shot to say that his power with the triforce would corrupt everything. I doubt anyone would really have much of a choice in the matter.
"Not even Link? Zelda alone had numerous occasions to tell him."
That's just my theory-- Zelda may have seen no reason to tell Link, or may not have known. Or, over time, people could have just forgotten (Like the way they didn't know of a third Triforce in LoZ). -Or- they could just not of known. If it was indeed a goddess of time, then (unlike the other three Goddess's) they wouldn't plainly notice her part in the worlds creation everywhere. A goddess of times work would only show up.. Well, in time. So perhaps the first beings didn't realize she existed. Honestly, there can be plenty of reasons why they wouldn't have known about her. All, I think, require a bit of a stretch of the imagination, but a lot about the Tetraforce theory does =P
"How, if they wouldn't know"
Not everything would be corrupt. They wouldn't have to know it to be left with a chance to fight it. The chance would just need to be there.
"Miyamoto has said that he regrets certain limitations from hasty wording and plot decision in previous games, but that's not exactly a complete rebuttal. "
I doubt that in LoZ they thought to much past -that- game onto how it would reflect multiple games to come. While saying such can also be used against any worth that an example from that game may be, well, if they can add one once I think they could justify adding another (hopefully coming up with reasons better then I can, because I willing admit there isn't a ton of proof to support my theories. I would feel sort of cheated, if they just added it in without good reason to why it wasn't there before).
"But you can't possibly thoroughly prove a theory if you're biased, for you'll overlook many things."
Well, actually I see no reason why you couldn't, providing you don't let being biased get in your way. It may be hard depending on the subject (and this isn't a hard subject o_O), but just because you believe something does not mean you can't look for evidence both against and supporting your theory and come to the most logical conclusion. In this case, the most logical conclusion is that the Tetraforce doesn't exist-- there -isn't- enough proof to thoroughly prove this theory true.
What I'm doing is arguing points to attempt to counter the "againsts" in the evidence, and provide some proof as to why it -could- be. Biggest "against" is sheer probability, which I can't really counter. But that does -not- necessarily mean it isn't true.
As said, I don't really think the tetraforce exists. I'd love to see it be true, but logically, it's a stretch, without much to support it. Still a fun theory though.
"As for this "Goddess of Time", only Tatl mentions her. It's most likely a wivestale of some sort. Also, it specifically says that Hyrule, NOT TERMINA, was created by 3 golden goddesses. Not 4, 3."
As for the the Hyrule-Termina thing, you have a good point =P. Still, the mention of a forth Goddess doesn't seem like something they'd throw in there for no reason. Regardless of another triforce or world, I think she'll come up in one way or another, and will be disappointed if the mention of another Goddess would be thrown in for no reason. And just because they said there was 3, doesn't mean people can't theorize that they won't add another one. If them saying that was going to stop the Tetraforcers, the theory never would have begun o.o'.
"The games do not support this. I'm currently researching the origin of this "theory", I have a feeling it's used to "justify" some fanfic. Whatever it came from is irrelevant, the games just don't support this."
The games provide -little- support to this. So little, in fact, that if it hadn't been for OoT beta I don't think it would exist in the first place. As for the origins.. Are you familiar with the beta OoT pictures of Links shield? They are what made me look into the Tetraforce theory in the first place. If you haven't seen them, I'd be happy to send you some links to some good shots (which are rather hard to find). I've never even heard of a fanfic about it, truth be told. If anyone would like to hook me up that that, I'd like to read it to see if it holds any ideas to it I haven't found.
"If Hero is going to make a page on this though, you and I can easily create dozens of insane, impossible to prove theories. The question is, where is the line drawn?"
Yes, we could. They'd be impossible to prove, but in the case of video games (among other things), until the writers and makers of these games show us more, even the most obvious theories are impossible to prove.
Why draw a line? It's a video game, it's purpose is entertainment. If fans of the game are entertained by coming up with odd, fun theories, where is the harm? The only line I'd say exists is acceptance. I could say "I think Link is an owl!" but (hopefully) no one would take it seriously. But with a theory like the Tetraforce, where there is a chance it could be true, you can go through and look for things, debate points, come up with theories for the theories that support the original theory (that sentence is kinda hard to follow, eh?).
To draw a line on what we can think up is to limit imagination, and to leave it liberated and free from line-ation gets people thinking.
....Plus it gives us something to do between games.
Incarnation of Evil and Lon Lon Ranch by Archmage_Zelda
1, 2, and 3: What I believe, is that by Evil Incarnation of Darkness, as opposed to Evil King (If this were so, why didn't the Kanji in the Japanese game say Aori, or "Evil King"?), Rauru was asking the Goddesses to help Zelda seal all of the evil ganondorf created, along with the monstrous grotesque being heald paralyzed by Zelda's Holy Ray. (Off-topic, anyone who played Phantasy Star Online will recall a rifle named Holy Ray whose special attack shot a yellowish-white light at an enemy then paralyzed it, similar to the spell Zelda uses in OoT. Just thought I'd add that, as to where I derived the appelation for the spell-thing.)
When everyone is celebrating at Lon Lon Ranch, and the sages are watching, Hyrule is peaceful, so many people think this is OoT Past, and many inconsistencies occur. However, it's OoT Future, devoid of the horrors and scarring Ganondorf caused. We can tell because Ruto's an adult! (She's taller and, pardon my rudeness, has boobs. All of the other sages were fully matured in OoT Past too, or at the moment cycling through Hyrule's timestream)
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Thanks for admitting that. I've spoken with so many people about this, but none of them ever acted as if they found any doubt in this theory that was seemingly assembled from nothing. I respect that.
And you're right. But so is proving why she would have told him. That requires some hefty assumption. One could assume that they would need a common ground for conversation if they were spending time together, and thus "Hey, you remember when that big-nosed guy tried to take the triforce, and we stopped him? Well, there was actually a 4th piece that didn't split away and didn't go to anyone. By the way, do you like me?" My imagination feels like bubble gum.
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Yeah... that was kind of a bad move in retrospect. LoZ was designed to ahve a seque - originally it was a trilogy, but as is common in Zelda development, the third was scrapped, and it was treated as a series.
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Excellent point. It's a lot harder proving something like say... Link marries the guy at the Fishing Pond in Lake Hylia. Good thinking there.
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I have many pictures. It seems nothing morre than a decorative motif, though, unless it symbolizes the Phoenix (I have a theory that it represents Link and Zelda, who like the Phoenix, revive in the millenial cycle) wielding the divine right ofthe Triforce.
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I dunno... I could prove various things, and I have, like you said, in between games. Here are the funnies, most "well-proved" ones:
Ruto can actually fly, as she is part bird. (I thought of this before they brought the Rito Tribe and Medli into the series)
Zelda and Malon are actually lesbian lovers, and Link is fated to marry Impa
The Gossip Stones are actually part of a nuclear missle targeting system.
The Happy Mask Salesman is a Planeswalking Archmage from other game universes.
Lon Lon Ranch again by RedQueen 87
Please forgive me not knowing how to use that quote thingy. I'm rather new to message boards o_o'. I'll put the bits I'm quoting in bold this time.
"When everyone is celebrating at Lon Lon Ranch, and the sages are watching, Hyrule is peaceful, so many people think this is OoT Past, and many inconsistencies occur. However, it's OoT Future, devoid of the horrors and scarring Ganondorf caused. We can tell because Ruto's an adult! (She's taller and, pardon my rudeness, has boobs. All of the other sages were fully matured in OoT Past too, or at the moment cycling through Hyrule's timestream)"
It never crossed my mind that that might of been the passed. Why would the people in the past be celebrating? Why would the sages be there, when they weren't awakened in that time? Plus, like you said, Ruto is full grown. So is Maron. Off topic, I did wonder why, if the Kokiri can't leave the forest or they die, then how were they at Lon Lon ranch in that scene? o.o
"And you're right. But so is proving why she would have told him. That requires some hefty assumption. One could assume that they would need a common ground for conversation if they were spending time together, and thus "Hey, you remember when that big-nosed guy tried to take the triforce, and we stopped him? Well, there was actually a 4th piece that didn't split away and didn't go to anyone. By the way, do you like me?" My imagination feels like bubble gum."
It does require a lot of assumption. I think the Zelda writers -could- figure out a way to add it in there, but as said, I really hope they can figure out better reasons that it wasn't there before then I can. Mine are just to inadequate for my own tastes-- but at least I can say mine exist, which unfortunately, most Tetraforce fans can't ^^'
"Excellent point. It's a lot harder proving something like say... Link marries the guy at the Fishing Pond in Lake Hylia. Good thinking there."
I don't really have much to say to that, as we both agree, but it was an amusing example so I had to comment on it =P
"I have many pictures. It seems nothing more than a decorative motif, though, unless it symbolizes the Phoenix (I have a theory that it represents Link and Zelda, who like the Phoenix, revive in the millennial cycle) wielding the divine right of the Triforce."
The pictures I was referring to are the ones that depict a forth triforce without a phoenix on it. The Tetraforce on it looks something like this. (It's, er, minus the dots. It won't let me use spaces, so the dots were needed.)
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One version of a shield with a tetraforce on it is http://www.tmsword.com/chapters/tetrasheild.jpg there. I have seen two others with the tetraforce on it, the on with the phoenix not included. This version of the shield was the version that was directly before a phoenix was added. Yet another shield was made previous to the tetraforce shields, which shows the master sword (I actually have a -really- odd theory involving the master sword =P) behind the normal 3 triforces.
Why did they have four triforces? Why, even when they took out the tetraforces' formation from that picture, did they still leave a forth piece on the end shield, just under a different design? This, to me, strongly implies they were hinting at something. I also believe they were hinting at something with the name "Tetra" in WW, or they just found it amusing (I really don't believe it was coinicidence).
I like you phoenix theory, and it makes sense. It also provides support for my odd master sword theory, which I desperately need! Thanks, and good job on noticing it.
"I dunno... I could prove various things, and I have, like you said, in between games. Here are the funnies, most "well-proved" ones:
Ruto can actually fly, as she is part bird. (I thought of this before they brought the Rito Tribe and Medli into the series)"
I love making and hearing theories about video games and books. Zelda being my favorite series gets a lot of attention.
Have you heard the "wind fish" theory? It was pretty much proven right with the Rito in WW, and as a supporter of that theory, I was thrilled. If you haven't heard of it, why did you think Ruto was part bird?
More theories from RedQueen87 and Archmage_Zelda and be found here.
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